Speaking of “kidnapping on a large scale”: debtors prison plus priests who encourage divorce

Almost simultaneous to my Chesterton post, Dalrock posted a wonderful essay on the state’s enthusiasm for ejecting fathers from their families:  Debtors prisons are an essential tool of our new public policy.  A few highlights to give you the main points:

Earlier this month Christopher Mathias at Huffington Post connected the Walter Scott case to our new family model in: One-Eighth Of South Carolina Inmates Were Jailed Over Child Support Payments. Walter Scott Was One Of Them.

…Men caught in this system do not have basic due process rights:

Turner’s case ended up in front of the Supreme Court, which ruled in a 5-4 decision in 2011 that the right to counsel only applied to criminal cases, not to people in civil or family court proceedings.

As capricious as this all sounds, there is a method to the madness here.  These men are being imprisoned to sustain a very recent and profound social revolution.  They are being imprisoned to facilitate the destruction of traditional marriage so that a new family structure, one instead based on child support, can take the place of marriage…

The aim of our new child support based family model is to enable women to destroy their families but still receive the benefits which previously only came with marriage.  Child support (and the threats of imprisonment which sustain it) is designed to allow women to have children with men who are unfit to be husbands, and/or to eject a husband from the home.  South Carolina divorce attorney Gregory S. Forman explains that in cases where the couple is married the child support process generally can’t start until the wife ejects the husband from the home in Five Ways to Get a Spouse Out of the House:..

Forman goes on to describe the legal strategies wives most commonly use to get their husbands out of the home so the whole process can begin.  Number one on his list of legal strategies is for the wife to claim domestic abuse.  This both ejects the father from the home and converts him from (nominal) head of household to child support payer:..Not surprisingly, this process is frequently manipulated by wives in exactly the way it is designed to be used:…Note that men are guilty until proven innocent in this case, and that it is well known that wives will commonly act as aggressors in order to claim victim-hood.

Fortunately, a minority of priests are determined to hold the line that remarriage=adultery.  However, we need to be clear that adultery isn’t the only thing wrong with divorce.  Otherwise, priests will think they’re holding the line if they tell a woman it’s okay to abandon her husband, kick him out of the house, and steal his money and kids, just so long as she doesn’t also cheat on him.

Actually, they’re already doing this.  From Father Z:

From a reader…

A local, newly Ordained, Priest has told my wife that it is NOT a sin to divorce me so long as she does not remarry. I believe that it is a sin to divorce since there is no abuse, physical or emotional, no addictions on my end, etc… Should I confront this priest or is he correct?

Just to show you how deep the rot goes, here’s Father Z’s response:

Instead of “confronting” the priest, who allegedly told your wife that it’s not sinful to divorce, perhaps the best thing to do would be to seek out some spiritual guidance for yourself. Seek some objective feedback about your situation.  Pray for your wife!  Pray for your whole family if you have children.  Ask the intervention of the Holy Family. Trust the Lord.

That’s right, don’t confront the son of a bitch who’s trying to destroy your family.  Just pray and maybe find a priest who can tell you why it is you deserve it.

Mark my words.  God is just.  Priests who encourage divorce will burn in hell.

19 Responses

  1. […] Speaking of “kidnapping on a large scale”: debtors prison plus priests who encourage divorce […]

  2. You likely committed the sin of detraction. Check what Father Z actually wrote. The questioner reported hearsay (what his wife told him that the priest said). You don’t simply confront people on the grounds of hearsay, probably reported in a heated discussion between a man and woman having marital troubles. First, you find out the facts and then determine whether to confront.

    And when you commit the sin of detraction against a priest (without any basis you tried to harm his reputation), you also commit the sin of sacrilege (because you harmed not just any person, but a sacred person because of Holy Orders). You should make public reparation.

    Have a great day.

  3. Thank you for the linkage and the kind words Bonald.

    The case you wrote about reminds me of a woman who wrote in to the “Ask an apologist” section of Catholic Answers Forum. She thought God was telling her to divorce her husband. She clarifies that there is no abuse or other misdeeds from her husband, but that she thinks God has other plans for her life and talents than to remain married. However, she is afraid what she is taking for God’s voice is really her own desires. She also fears financial hardship if she divorces. The priest explains that he can’t know if God wants her to divorce, and reminds her of the cash and prizes the state will give her if she divorces. Here is the link to the second of two posts I did on it. The original caf thread is still there as well. This is my paraphrase from memory so see the original question and answer at caf.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/06/25/put-your-faith-in-divorce/

  4. Hello Anonymous,

    I admit that quoting a priest’s own words is often an uncharitable thing to do, but it’s hardly libel. Anyway, the wife is the direct witness, so it’s hardly hearsay. In fairness to Father Z, he does fairly lay out the Church’s rules on divorce, and he’s not the one I’m saying is cruising for hellfire, but his advice is terrible and wicked. Never accept the rebels’ frame. If you do, you’ve already lost. What men facing rebellious wives need to hear from the Church is an unambiguous expression of support. “You are the head of the household. Tell your wife we said that rebellion against you is rebellion against God.”

    If you’re just saying that I didn’t give a balanced sense of Father Z’s post, you’ve got a point. On the other hand, I often get the impression that knowledge of canon law is dangerous to the soul. It’s necessarily causuistic and therefore full of extreme-case exceptions that most people should not be thinking about.

  5. Anonymous, how do you “find out the facts” without confronting the priest? Do you, like, kind of sit near the priest and make googly eyes at him in the hope that he might bring it up? Maybe you sit at home and hope the priest calls you?

    No! Wait! Don’t tell me! It’s OK to go and ask the priest if he, in fact, said what wifey claims. And that isn’t confronting the priest because . . . because Anonymous’s first language isn’t English?

  6. Wow, the CAF thread is weird even for CAF. Fr Z may not be cruising for Hellfire, but Fr Serpa seems to be. What an atrocious response he gives.

    The woman explicitly tells him that her husband is doing nothing wrong to her.

  7. Thanks for the link, Dalrock. That’s another good example. It’s not just something we read about online either. I’d say most Catholics are no more than twice removed (e.g. friend of a relative) from a woman who was encouraged by a priest to file for divorce.

  8. I think any priest who posts pictures of himself doing mundane things is a little weird. Fr. Z also vocally supports the right-liberal Acton Institute. That says a lot.

  9. This makes me physically ill. Divorce is such a vile evil. Even though I usually affirm the traditional Protestant exceptions to the rule, it’s exceedingly rare when even they ought to be exercised, which is why I sometimes lean towards saying marriage is indissoluble, but extreme abuse of some variety might warrant separation. Certainly not because muh feels say so.

    I know this girl who has gotten into some very sinful activities who was raised a nominal Catholic. Want to know why she thinks the Catholic Church is “corrupt”? Because of all the divorces her Catholic family has gone through and how little Catholics actually believe their own doctrine in general, but the divorce thing seems to have particularly damaged her. Thankfully she is still inquisitive about Christianity and hasn’t gone into radical atheism.

  10. nathanjevans, Protestants recognize exceptions (plural) to the rule? I thought there was only one exception. Please explain.

  11. The typical exceptions are adultery and physical abandonment. Sometimes physical abuse is separated, but it is usually justified as a form of physical abandonment.

  12. I would have assumed that the only exception would be adultery and/or sexual immorality. Is there scriptural basis for and exception for abandonment & abuse? Also, do Protestants traditionally believe that the woman has a right to put away her husband or is the exception in Matthew granted only to the husband?

  13. What makes Fr. Serpa’s advice all the more damning is that John Paul II’s catechism specifically condemns frivolous divorce when it speaks of one spouse unjustly abandoning the other, and of an innocent spouse getting stabbed in the back by a civil divorce.

  14. The Scriptural basis for abandonment is I Corinthians 7:10-16. Protestants say the woman has a right to divorce as well, usually.

  15. What does the beginning of verse 12 mean? That what follows wasn’t delivered directly from the Lord to Paul? Does this mean what follows is Paul’s non-dogmatic opinion?

  16. My greekless, layman’s reading of those verses doesn’t seem incompatible with either the Protestant or Catholic understanding of divorce. Another words, the verses seem indecisive.

  17. Wow, that was bad even for CAF.

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